Well, the ten minute restriction turned into well over an hour. We had a truncated quiz show, and I watched how the KNZRT questions grew and developed in terms of the answers we had already heard.

After the meeting, of course, there was the food. This time around, however, it was paired with drinking and the group leader, who was a downright comedian. She was a new retiree, and insisted on celebrating her newly awarded pension with a bottle of vodka. Thankfully, these three shots came after a day of eating, so no drunkenness was at risk. The real value however, was in the comedy.

See, the two Noble Kiwis are well into their fifties, and are accustomed to both Kyrgyz humor, and that of women all over the world. So, when this woman began proposing to them, and joking about keeping them around as husbands, they didn’t shy away. Instead of make the joke awkward, they jumped on the bandwagon, listing off their requirements for a bride. It was a happy family endeavor, and the groups all called on us for an inevitable return.

The lunch we just received turned out to be besh barmak over rice. That seemed like enough, until a delicacy came out I’ve only ever seen once before: the organ sack, stuffed with rice, organ meat and fat, tied up to look like a duck, complete with a beak made of a carrot. It was presented to Tony, with command, “either you buy it, or you shoot it.” (This rhymes in Kyrgyz).

All of us foreigners thought the village trip was finished after this meal. However, on the way out of town, we stopped in a large building from Soviet times. We had joked about it being abandoned earlier in the day, but we have found it to be very much inhabited, by a number of families. One of these families is part o one of the goat groups, and it is this family that is hosting us now.

As per usual, the outside of the building looks cold and very Soviet, but once inside, it is a world of color. There are rugs on the walls, shyrdaks on the floors, and brightly colored table cloths. I can see another room full of food, though I know the KNZRT brass are eager to get on the move. We’ve a workshop to plan for Friday, and these group visits, as necessary and valuable as they are, seriously dig into that planning.

In the mean time, however, the usual pattern is developing: we’re in the quiz show right now. While they’ve proclaimed to spend only ten minutes here, I don’t know how they’ll fit the touchy-feely portion and the food into that small amount of time.

We’ve moved from our follow-up meeting with the old groups, and moved into another large lunch with a new group of women, once again focused around goats.

It’s a curious methodology, these goat groups. According to KNZRT, a goat group costs about $3,800 to start. These costs are trainings, sainfoin seeds, and mostly, the goats: 5 per member. But after the first year, the group keeps the kids the goats produce, and pass the original goats on to a new group. In this way, the costs of continuing the project another year is only around $500.

During our last meeting, we identified that the women who had received the goats were not particularly poor. They already had animals before the program had begun. “It was risk management on the part of the people who organized the groups,” we concluded. Very poor people are less likely to show good results with their groups, so the organizers are more willing to put middle income families in the groups, to look successful in the eyes of the big bosses. Naturally, however, as the goal of the program is to help poor people, and not improve overall goat stocks, they would have preferred poorer, riskier families.

Another curious recurring conversation has been on weighing the animals. During the first year of the program, while it was closely monitored, everyone weighed their animals. Once the close scrutiny passed, the women stopped weighing them. “We are Kyrgyz!” They said, “we know how much the animals weigh just by looking, or from when our husbands pick them up!”

Now, if it was me conducting the meetings, I’d have just recommended they reconsider, and then fall back on their advice. But not our experienced developers. “No, you don’t know,” was the curt response. “Farmers all over the world, whether in New Zealand or in Africa say this. But you can’t be sure. Furthermore, from our calculations, animals that are over 40 kilos in December are much more likely to produce twins. It is in your interest to weigh your animals!”

That folks, is detailed, grass roots development at perfection.

The sainfoin field, unfortunately, was a bust, we have learned. A frost this May apparently killed the entire crop. It was an expensive investment that has now been reduced to rubble. In its place, generic grass and thistle took over the field.

“If this was New Zealand,” Brian said, “we’d have at least cut this grass before the thistle had turned woody and flowered. Your animals won’t be able to eat this!” These are hard hitting guys, who know their facts.

Then they turned to the adviser hired to maintain the groups. “What about fertilizer? Perhaps if there had been fertilizer in this field, the sainfoin would have been strong enough to withstand the frost.”

“We cannot use fertilizer,” he said. “It is too expensive.”

“That is what you said 4 years ago about potatoes. Today, everyone uses it, and everyone’s crops are much better!” This is a continuing story out here. The KNZRT guys keep harping on ideas until the people believe. Eventually, it seems, they come around.

Since the field, we’ve moved into the front lawn of the very attractive local school. In the courtyard there is a bust of a Kyrgyz man, and where we are sitting, off to the right, there is a giant WWII memorial. There is a big silver statue of a soldier in the middle, the dates 1941 and 1945, underlined with the text, “No one will not forget nothing.” (In the Kyrgyz language, opposites to not logically negate each other, as in English. Instead, a sentence is considered incorrect if the negatives do not match, as they do in the sentence above.)

Now, we are talking with 7 women from two goat groups started two years ago. They are telling us about how many goats they were given, the kidding rates, how they sold the cashmere, and what they’d like to turn their investment into in the future.